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What if the ground never stops moving and yet your soul finds a steadier place to stand? That’s the tension Lara Silverman lives with every day as a Stanford-trained attorney turned bestselling author and musician whose rare neurological condition keeps the world spinning even while she’s still. We sit down with Lara to explore how chronic illness, career loss, and the death of her husband became the crucible where faith deepened, identity shifted, and joy returned in surprising forms.

Lara shares the origin of her suffering—an abrupt collapse two weeks into her dream role as a federal prosecutor—and the decade-long journey that followed: misdiagnoses, hospitalizations, and years bedridden. She opens up about the bedside visits from a church acquaintance newly battling terminal cancer, the theology of suffering he brought with him, and the love that grew between them against all odds. Their marriage, brief and beautiful, reframed blessing, exposed the hollowness of achievement-based worth, and reoriented Lara around a gospel that trades prosperity promises for a cross-shaped hope.

This conversation moves beyond platitudes. We wrestle with the why behind suffering, how Scripture becomes a lifeline, and what it really means to hold eternity in view when the present is full of loss. Lara also reveals the creative paths that helped her heal—recording jazz from the edge of her bed, producing an original song about missing “normal,” and crafting viral Armenian comedy skits that helped her community laugh again. She discusses writing her memoir as a love story forged in trial, and a field guide for anyone navigating grief, disability, or chronic pain.

If you’ve ever wondered where God is in the dark, how to find purpose when plans shatter, or how joy can coexist with tears, Lara’s story offers honest answers and hard-won hope. Listen, share with someone who needs strength today, and if this conversation serves you, subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: where are you finding your footing right now?


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00:00 - Introducing Lara Silverman

03:11 - Sudden Illness And Diagnosis Odyssey

07:03 - Wrestling With God In The Valley

09:01 - Salvation Roots And Armenian Heritage

11:01 - Love, Cancer, And A Bedside Theology

15:53 - Why We Ask Why

18:36 - Comedy, Music, And Joy In Grief

21:06 - Identity After Losing A Career

23:38 - Living With Eternity In View

25:35 - Writing The Book Of Suffering And Hope

27:38 - The Song “Normal” And Creative Healing

29:38 - Final Encouragement And Closing

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Hello everyone, thank you again for joining me on another episode of the Dorsey Us show.

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Today we have a special guest with us.

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Her name is Lara Silverman.

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She is a best selling Christian author, player, singer, and comedic actress.

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She holds a JD from Stanford Law School and a BA in both economics and political science from UC Berkeley, where she was one of six finalists for the University Medal, Barkley's highest academic distinction before f falling seriously ill eighteen.

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Larry worked for two federal judges and practiced high state litigation for three years for the Arnold and Parker Reporter case scholar LOP, where she specialized in intellectual property, antitrust, and contract cases of all kinds.

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In 2023, Lara co-founded The Silverman Show, a defective comedy comedy, music and theology show, and released her debut pop album as her own music producer in February 2024.

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In September 2024, she debuted as Mrs.

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Series in her solo American comedy show online and making upwards of 300,000 views on individual videos on social media.

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Larry's writing has been featured in various respected Christian blocks where her reflection on face, suffering, and grace has encouraged readers across diverse audiences.

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Even though she remains mostly dead reading today, she anchors her unwavering hope in God.

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She has published singing through fire in August 2025, which is now Amazon's number one best seller.

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Lyra, thank you so much for coming on the show today.

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Thanks so much, Dorsey.

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It's just such an honor to be here with you today.

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Absolutely.

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And as we as we discussed a little bit beforehand, you were telling me about your disability that you have, and I even mentioned that you, you know, are mostly big writing now, and you know, you stu the issue starting in 2018.

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Tell us a little bit about that issue, about your disability.

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Yeah, thank you so much.

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So I uh basically I was about to start my dream job as a federal prosecutor.

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I'm actually a lawyer, and I had trained, you know, went to law school, and this was my dream job.

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But on the second week of the job, I fell mysteriously ill with this rare neurological condition.

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And the bottom line is I, you know, at the at the beginning we tried, you know, so many different treatments, and I had to take a leave from the office.

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And unfortunately, nothing really worked, and we weren't sure what's going on.

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You know, the doctors gave me a million diagnoses, but you know, at the end of that 10 months, it became clear that nothing is shifting.

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And so just to be clear, my disability has to do with the connection between my ear and my brain.

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And so you can't tell right now, or the audience can't tell to the extent there's a video on this.

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But basically the world is spinning all around me right now, even though I'm seated up and it's exceedingly uncomfortable.

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And so, as you can imagine, it causes me nausea, I mean, exhaustion, fatigue, pain.

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I mean, it's just so it's very, very uncomfortable to be seated up.

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So basically, the last eight years, I have been essentially bedridden to different degrees.

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I mean, the first four years of the illness, I was strictly bedridden on that bed with my mother nursing me on, you know, I mean, literally on a bedpan.

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Um, and because the it was so severe, I was hospitalized twice, you know, Stanford, UCSF, you name it.

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And we even consulted British experts.

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And basically the minute I sat up, the world just spun harder and I couldn't, it was just, it was so painful.

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And today, eight years in, you know, there came a point, you know, where three years into the bed where I started to try walking again.

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But every time I sit up, even to this day, the world is still spinning.

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But at least now my body is able a little more to kind of tell where I am in space.

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Like I have pretty good balance now.

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But it's been an absolute nightmare and a very long journey of walking with the Lord and asking all the typical questions.

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Why?

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You know, why, Lord?

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You know, why am I going through this intense valley?

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And I lost my legal career, and that was, you know, I was a very driven, you know, person.

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So it's been very fascinating to see, you know, that's one way to put it, to see how God has led me through this very difficult path.

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And yet the whole time he's been with me, and I'm sure we can discuss that.

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Really?

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Well, what was your faith like, you know, did were you a Christian growing up?

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You know, when did you get saved?

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Sure, yeah.

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I was saved when I was, I think, a seven years old.

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It was in Sunday school.

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So I was very lucky to be raised in a Christian home.

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My grandfather was a pastor in Syria in the Middle East, you know, before my family immigrated over.

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So, you know, solid, you know, biblical grounding.

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But I would say that, and I would say that I never really had much exposure to suffering as a kid.

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Even in my teens and, you know, through college, you know, it was very much I was chasing my career goals for, you know, I mean, until I hit 30 and started this job, and that's when everything went downhill.

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So I'm 38 now.

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So this last eight years has been really when my faith has been just excruciatingly test.

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Hadi Hadi, um, now you said you you went to you were in hungry school when you got saved, and when you, you know, when you were younger, you got you were in hungry school.

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So was I mean, being from Syria, your family must have been probably Muslim or Islam?

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Oh no, no.

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Um, so I'm Armenian, and so yeah, Armenia was the first Christian nation.

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So I'm lucky we no, my family is Christian.

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My grandfather was a Christian evangelical pastor in the Middle East.

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So the Armenian community where he was in the Middle East was a pocket of Christianity.

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So no, I was raised in the Christian faith.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Your story full of profound suffering and chronic illness, along with the loss of your husband in a clock promising legal career, what was the moment you first felt God blessing in min in the middle of all that pre all that pain?

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Absolutely.

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So, you know, just to give the audience some clarity on the husband issue, what happened was, you know, four years into this illness, I was just in a very low spiritual state.

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I mean, I was bitter against the Lord.

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I was questioning everything.

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I was just at the end of my rope, and the Lord brought this man into my life.

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And he was an acquaintance from church from years back.

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And, you know, we were always just, you know, again, very casual.

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And he calls my mom and says, I'd like to visit your daughter.

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The whole church is praying for it's been four years.

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Someone needs to encourage, you know, this person.

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Can I come visit her?

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So he comes and he visits me while I'm laying on that bed in pajamas and he gives me a theology of suffering, like a solid biblical, you know, theology of why the Lord allows adversity.

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And long and short of it is through the first maybe eight visits, I cannot explain it to you, Dorsey, but it was obviously from the Lord because we basically just fell in love.

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I mean, it was like the most weird circumstance you could fall in love, but he cracks a joke, you crack a joke.

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I mean, it was, but there's a plot twist.

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And the plot twist is that Matt, my husband, was had just been diagnosed with terminal cancer himself.

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So he was visiting me with his chemo pump attached, and he's giving me a theology of suffering, encouraging me when he's the one who's terminal, you know.

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And and so it was this beautiful thing where God brought us together in our mutual grief, you know, as we're both suffering, if that makes sense.

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And Matt radically changed my theology, helped me understood and understand biblical principles on why the Lord even allows his children to suffer.

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And long story short, we felt called to get married, and we did a year later, which was a whole other conversation because it was extremely difficult for me to get in cars.

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Every time I enter cars, my brain spins harder.

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But I walked down that aisle and, you know, the Lord gave me miraculous grace.

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And then a year after our wedding, he passed away.

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And so I wanted to give a framework for, you know, when you said you lost your husband as well.

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So the last eight years, it's kind of been like a Job-like journey, if you will, you know, of losing my health, then my career, then my husband.

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And it came to a point where I was like, Lord, I can't do the give and take away thing anymore.

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You know, I'm just, I feel, but I have to say, your question was about feeling God's presence.

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And I'm telling you, like, even with all my anger and doubts and wrestling with God, because I'm a fighter, like I'm ashamed to say I definitely did not submit to the Lord's will in a Christ-like fashion.

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You know, I definitely have wrestled with him nonstop on why is this your will?

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You know, these sorts of questions, which I know you've, you know, dealt with as well.

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But but God has been with me the whole time, which has just surprised me so much.

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Like, you know, Psalm 34, which says the Lord is near to the brokenhearted.

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It is absolutely, you know it, I know it.

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It is so true.

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He speaks, he whispers, he with the verses, coincidental devotionals, just the ways he has snuck into my heart have been nothing short of miraculous.

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Like I feel like we're having a conversation on a daily basis.

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And I never felt God's presence like this before I was suffering.

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So it's a blessing in that sense.

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You know, many of us who are, you know, I don't want to say sufferers, I can say overcomers have realized that that's the beauty, right?

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Of being in the fire is he really does throw himself in, I mean, his spirit lives in us.

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So anyway, I talked too long.

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No, you're fine.

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You know, you mentioned about the first time that you, you know, were in the bed and this man came to speak to you and he's talking to you about suffering.

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Like giving you whole, you know, theology of suffering and why God allows suffering.

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What what were you thinking at that moment during that time where you were like, get out of here?

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Why are you telling me about this God who's who's you know, who's talking to me, who, you know, you're talking to me about this God and what that allows suffering, and here I am in this bed, bedding and can't move.

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Yeah.

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I mean, and this was at a point where if I didn't start moving again, I was going to die because I had lost 36 pounds.

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My mom couldn't really take care of me anymore.

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I mean, she was so exhausted.

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We were three years into the bed and I had not moved.

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Like we're talking, you know, I mean, again, I was hospitalized.

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I mean, the whole thing.

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You have to read my memoir, but it's basically I the reason that I didn't lash out at Matt was because God had been with me.

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Now, in other words, I had been angry at the Lord, you know, sort of up and down in these waves, and then he would sustain me and draw near.

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So it was always this tug, you know, pull, you know, what is, you know, tug and war with the Lord.

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And because I was still in that functional relationship with the Lord, he had not let me go.

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Because of that, I still was able to receive Matt's word, if that makes sense.

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I feel like if I had cut God off or if he had let me go, which God did not let me go, then I would be in a space of, you know, why should I listen to this God who because I felt like he wasn't answering my prayers because he wasn't, and I was angry for him for not doing so, but I I couldn't get angry at him abandoning me because he hadn't abandoned me.

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So that's the mystery of the suffering.

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It's like he is sovereign and he is allowing this for some purpose, but he shows us that he loves us because he's still with us in it.

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So it's wild, yeah.

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How did your faith evolve during your career transition and health sounds?

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How did your faith evolve during your career transition and health yellings?

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Yeah.

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I mean, basically, it was 10 months into the illness, and I had to resign because I was getting worse.

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I mean, the U.S.

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Attorney's Office, it's the federal prosecutor's office.

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I mean, this was like a big deal in legal circles for me anyway.

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And I, they, they had given me a leave for 10 months.

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They said, you know what, we'll go take your time, try to heal from this thing.

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But after 10 months, my family and I were like, we're just getting worse.

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Like our daughter's health is getting worse.

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So I prayed and prayed.

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And I asked, I mean, I asked the Lord, like, I don't understand you.

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Opened this door to my dream job.

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Now it seems like you're closing it.

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It was confusing, kind of like, you know, I mean, God, it's kind of like he called Abraham to leave his homeland.

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Like, I don't know.

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God asks us to surrender and do confusing things sometimes.

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And one theme that the Lord gave me at that time in 2018 was trusting me amidst confusion.

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And my faith, because he had kind of prepared me on that principle, this idea of, look, move blindly.

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I mean, even Elizabeth Elliott wrote in suffering is not for nothing.

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I think she said something like, you know, the Lord has led me through so many strange paths where I thought this was his will, but it ended up being here.

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I mean, so my faith really went from, you know, Lord, you know, I mean, like a how do I explain this?

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I think my faith went from like a transactional, if the Lord loves you, he will bless you.

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The good career, the husband, the kids, the whatever, you know, he'll bless you in an earthly sense.

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But from there, after all these different losses, like now you're looking at me eight years in, where I now realize that actually the blessing, blessed are those who are persecuted, blessed are those who mourn, blessed are, I mean, Jesus' kingdom, as you know, is very much upside down, which we I think struggle with because we're very earthly and fleshly.

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And and the what's the verse it says the foolishness of man is, or no, God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom, or well, you know which verse I'm talking about.

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Yeah.

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In other words, but the question was, you know, I very much idolized, you know, career and these sorts of buckets and felt like if God loves you, he will bless you.

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But boy, was that bad theology.

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And that's why the prosperity gospel, you know, which unfortunately misleads a lot of people, is obviously false.

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You know, we follow a take up your cross gospel, you know, not a take up your spot a gospel, you know what I mean?

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So You know, we all, you know, you mentioned it several times already about, you know, why do we suffer, you know, and and even myself, you know, I asked, you know, I've asked God why, you know, this or why that, why did this have to happen?

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You know, why do you think that is?

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Why do you think we have that why, you know, mentality?

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You know, it's I think it's a combination of lack of faith, but not to blame us because the Lord knows we are dust.

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And frankly, it is hard to surrender to his will.

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I mean, it's just difficult when it's when it's difficult.

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You know, we are humans, we're flesh, we're, you know, we're we're not divine and we don't know his eternal purposes.

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I think so it I don't want to blame everyone because there's probably a lot of hurting people out there maybe listening to this.

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And, you know, I'm hurting too.

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You know, I've lost a lot, right?

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But I it's not so much maybe our lack of faith, but the fact that it's hard to have faith when you don't see the Lord's sovereign purposes, right?

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Like we are told that the Lord is good and he is, but then there's this, there's this sort of um, what's the word?

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It's incompatible with the evil we see in the world, right?

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Like, so we're holding this up and saying, okay, his ways are perfect, all the ways of the Lord are just and perfect.

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But then on the other hand, we're we know in history there have been genocides, the Armenian genocide, the Holocaust.

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I mean, I mean, we lit look disability, I mean, children born blind.

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I mean, just if you think about all of that, it's hard for humanity to trust in an infinite God's ways and purposes.

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And this is why Isaiah 55 tells us his ways are higher than our ways.

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And I have to cling to that every day when Satan sort of whispers to me that God is not good or God is, do you know what I'm saying?

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Right.

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I think God understands that, but we ask the why questions because we just, it's hard to be humble.

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Job, even Job at the beginning, you know, he he laid bare and said, the Lord has taken away and, you know, the Lord gave and the Lord take took away.

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But after his suffering kept going, if you read the account, you know, with the boils on his body and the, you know, I mean, he started breaking down emotionally as well.

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And so I think now he never cursed God, but he did sort of curse himself in a sense.

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He wanted to die.

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So we are human.

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I think asking why is very natural.

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And I will tell you as a testimony that the Lord has honored, I mean, he has just been so patient with me.

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I just never expected that he would be patient with me, even with all my unsavory reactions, you know, his will for my life.

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I'll leave it at that.

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He has just graced me with his grace over and over again.

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And I never realized how much forgiveness I need, you know, which sounds pompous, but until I was suffering, you know, being raised in a Christian home, I'm the goody two shoes Christian girl.

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What do I need?

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Right?

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But then when you start, you know, realizing the gravity of your sin, you go, okay, get off your high horse.

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Who do you think you were?

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And so I ironically, my suffering has also exposed myself to the gravity of my own sin.

00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:13.759
Yeah.

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Now you can, and I read in your bio that you did some comedic acting.

00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:20.639
Yeah.

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Tell us a little bit about that and you know what that looked like.

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Sure.

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So basically, after my husband died, I felt a call from the Lord, like it was very clear.

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He said, you know, take this, or I want you to have joy in your grief.

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And that was very much the theme of the last eight years that the Lord has really impressed upon me.

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This idea of, as Christians, we are called to have joy in grief, right?

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Paul says, sorrowful but rejoicing.

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Paul and Silas are worshiping while they're shackled, right?

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In prison.

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So it's this idea of can you have joy in Christ, even if your life is falling apart around you?

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And not only does God ask us to do that, we are called to do that.

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I mean, it's it's almost like a command.

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It's give thanks in every circumstance, which frankly I have botched along the way.

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And I'm very ashamed to say it.

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You know, I have to repent of that because I have to be honest, you know, because what's the point in lying?

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Like, I'm so ashamed that I have not had gratitude for my thorn.

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And that's something that's been very convicting lately of like, okay, you know, you're going through it, but can you actually praise me for this?

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But to get back to the question, the question was so the comedian, so after Matt died, when the Lord, you know, sort of nudged my spirit on that, I thought, okay, how can I find joy?

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And for me, you know, we had started the YouTube Silverman show while we were married just as an avenue for because Matt loved giving sermons.

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He was a lay preacher, he was also an engineering PhD, but he also preached.

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And so we started this Silverman show to give his sermons on suffering because Matt just because he also had had cancer as a kid.

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So this was his second cancer.

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So he had suffered a lot.

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But basically, we put up his sermons, we put up my jazz songs.

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You know, I love singing jazz, I love playing violin, I love comedy.

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So we started this Silverman show while we were married just to give ourselves joy.

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You know, I would sit up, record a song, spin harder, then I would slam back down on the bed, and then I would try editing it, you know, just for half an hour as much as my brain could tolerate.

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But after Matt died, I started doing these Armenian comedy clips because I'm living with my parents and we're Armenian and I needed desperately to laugh.

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And my dad's very funny, and I I love, I mean, I'm not gonna say I'm very funny, but I love comedy.

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I I grew up doing musicals like think my fair lady in Oklahoma and all the, you know.

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And so basically I started this Armenian comedy channel on Instagram and Facebook, and it kind of took off.

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And it's given me so much joy.

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I sit up, I I record a skit for, you know, maybe a minute, and then I lay back down.

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And all these Armenians on Instagram have really enjoyed, you know, sort of cultural comedy.

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So I, God has given me this joy and laughter.

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And, you know, there is a verse that says, Blessed are those who weep, for you will laugh.

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And, you know, I think I God gave me a taste of that, but I think the ultimate fulfillment of that is obviously in heaven.

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But the yeah, so God has given me these surprising joys, you know, that you would never expect after your husband.

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I mean, people probably thought I was crazy.

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Like, how dare you be laughing so much two months after your husband died?

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But the Lord, He, he, He doesn't want us to wallow in grief.

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You know, Matt is alive right now.

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Matt is in heaven, he's rejoicing.

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And in fact, God has given me so many nudges that Matt is alive.

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And we have to be careful because you don't want to go new age with all the signs and you know, that sort of thing.

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But like the Holy Spirit has comforted me, you know, timely moments this last year since Matt died, to say, have peace.

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Matt is with me.

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Like, there it get excited for eternity.

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And I am so excited.

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And and not in a suicidal way, you know.

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I mean, because I've gotten so much pushback from even other Christians, and I'm not venting, but it's like people just not understanding when you're trying to get excited about eternity.

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It's like I'm living my life now, yes, for the glory of the Lord, but there's also I don't want to live for the dot, I want to live for the line.

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I can't remember which theologian said that.

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Maybe it was Francis Chan.

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But anyway, yeah.

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Can are you able to give us a little, you know, one line comedy, you know, um uh show or script?

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You know, I would, but The thing is, all my Armenian comedy is in Armenian.

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So I'm not I'm trying to think on the fly how I can sing you a jazz song instead.

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Fuck.

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Do you know?

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Let's see, what should I say?

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Oh, do you know Misty?

00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.159
Um, you can king anyway.

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All right, let's see.

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So this was a song.

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Well, I'll just sing a couple lines, but I sang this to Matt, like on one of our, you know, supposed dates when we weren't even dating, but it goes, Look at me.

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I'm as helpless as a kitten up a tree.

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I feel like I'm clinging to a cloud.

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I can't understand.

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I get misty just holding your head.

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Yeah, so that's the first line.

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So I love jazz.

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You can tell.

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I just kind of lit up right there.

00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:21.759
Thank you so much for asking me.

00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:31.920
Yeah, now, you know, you mentioned it already that you went from being a federal judge or prosecutor with a Stanford law degree to being begritting.

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How did you wrestle with identity and purpose during that time?

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Oh my gosh, Dorsey, I bet you've uh, you know, I want to hear more of your story too, because I'm sure you've dealt with so many similar questions.

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I mean, honestly.

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But it's, I mean, going from a type A, you know, you know, overachiever, idolizing work, you know, that kind of person, to being completely immobilized and, you know, essentially just non-functional and completely dependent on others for even my most basic needs, like going to the bathroom.

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You know, it was going from, I mean, not to say being a Stanford-trained lawyer is so amazing because, you know, I mean, who cares about these worldly accomplishments?

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But it's like in an earthly sense, going from that to this was just such a shock.

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And just given how prideful I was at the time.

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And so, you know, I have to say though, so I have struggled with the identity issues, absolutely.

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And Matt has really helped me with that, you know, because he, even though he was a PhD, he just didn't put any stock in these worldly accomplishments.

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And I think that was because of his first cancer as a kid.

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It made him realize like none of this matters.

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And that's why he had such a powerful ministry and suffering with the youth group kids, because he was our functionally our youth group pastor.

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But basically, I have, you know, I would cry, you know, during our marriage to Matt.

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I would say, I haven't accomplished anything in eight years.

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You know, I, I, what's the point?

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You know, I just feel so, you know, and God has had to over and over again drill into me, your identity is in Christ.

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I'm calling to you to do a certain work.

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And actually, one thing that was really therapeutic for me, which I'm sure, I mean, I see it powerfully in your ministry too, is God kind of spoke to me in some sense by telling me that even our suffering is a good work.

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And it didn't take me, I mean, it took me a long time to realize that, but isn't that so revolutionary?

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Like this idea that suffering is kind of like a calling because I mean, look at look at the Bible.

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Paul says that his chains serve to advance the gospel.

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Like in other, in other words, when God calls you to suffer, there is a mighty purpose behind it because he is good and he's going to use it.

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That's the only reason he would allow it in his children's life.

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So that has really given me more, you know, not only is my identity in Christ now, but it's like just this self-confidence of no, my life is not wasted.

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God has used my chronic pain.

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Even on a bed, I have a ministry now, being on podcasts with kind people like you, where I can share my story and encourage other sufferers.

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You know, it's like first is it first Corinthians where it says, we comfort others with the comfort we receive from the Lord.

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So it's just you see God working, and that has really given me more of a sense of, all right, it's not about the earthly accomplishments.

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Everything is accomplished for the Lord's glory alone.

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If you're a Supreme Court justice, you're only there because the Lord put you there and he will use you, right?

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Now, how, now, it sounds like you won't, were you how long were you a federal prosecutor for?

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So, in other words, I was a big law firm lawyer.

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I did mostly intellectual property, antitrust, contracts of all kinds.

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I didn't, and so I had just started the dream job as a federal prosecutor, and I never got to be on the job, Dorsey.

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In other words, I started and then the second week on the training, I fell ill.

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So I was never able to step into a federal court and say, good morning, Your Honor.

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My name is Lara Pallangian, and I'm from the United States of America.

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And I was extremely just bitter about that initially.

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You mentioned it a little bit when you were talking about eternity.

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What does it mean to keep eternity in view, especially when your life as you knew it has been completely upended?

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I mean, that is precisely the point.

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It the fact that my life has been upended in terms of my own dreams for my life, that is why I put my stock in eternity and eternity becomes so real.

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Like, I think people don't realize that the veil between earth and heaven is quite thin.

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And, you know, like if you're looking for, you know, not in like some weird, you know, Gnostic way or something, but like you know, when you feel the Lord's presence and you just feel his promises in your heart, you just know that eternity is right there.

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Like wherever Matt is, he is.

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And the Lord is with him, and all the saints are with him.

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And it's like when you've lost everything, you know that there's just so much more to these temporary losses.

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I mean, 2 Corinthians 4.17 says our light and momentary troubles, which frankly sometimes don't feel light and momentary, right?

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Because some of us bear lifelong crosses.

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But these troubles are what is the are achieving an eternal glory that far outweigh them all.

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That's one of my favorite verses, Dorsey.

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I'm sure it's one of you.

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And so the the idea is that God is saying, this is all a training ground.

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It's all just a temporary vapor.

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Like you will see my purposes in eternity, child, but can you trust that there's so much more than this temporary life?

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So yeah, when you're when you're suffering, there is nothing like the bomb of heaven to just because before I suffered, it's like, oh yeah, heaven's great.

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You know, it's that thing over there as Christians we go to later, you know, it's great.

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But when you're suffering, it becomes this tangible sweet sugar that your hope is only there.

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Because, you know, not to say we don't have hope here, because look how God is using me and you now, even in our losses.

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But but but it's just becomes this end goal, you know.

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Why settle for, you know, this this what's a good word for earth compared to heaven?

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You know, maybe you could help me there.

00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:08.879
Like, why settle for this representation of the ultimate prize when you can get that prize?

00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:09.440
Right.

00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:15.359
Tell us a little bit about your book that you wrote and you know what what that's about.

00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:16.079
Absolutely.

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Thanks so much for asking.

00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:20.079
So after Matt died, the Lord nudged my spirit.

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You know, I was crying on that bed one day.

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I was just in such a pit.

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And my friend calls and says, Have you considered writing a book?

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And I said, No, I'm an you know, I'm a lawyer.

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I've never wanted to be an author.

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What is this?

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You want me to be an author all of a sudden?

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I'm a widow at this point.

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I don't care.

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And then the next day, a friend called, another Christian mentor calls and says, Have you considered writing a book?

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And I said, Okay, this is starting to feel strange.

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Is this from the Holy Spirit?

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And so basically I started praying about it.

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And the next week I kept bumping into Ephesians 2.10, which says, our um, God has prepared good works in advance for us to do.

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And I said, All right, Lord, I hear your job offer.

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I'm gonna write this book.

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And so the last 10 months, I basically was on that bed with my laptop on my knees, with my brain spinning, but you know, nonetheless, the Lord sustained me and I typed out my manuscript.

00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:20.879
And my book is essentially a love story forged in great suffering because it it chronicles my suffering, Matt's suffering, our love story that was very miraculous, you know.

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I mean, and that one-year marriage, which God gave us so many victories.

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And my book also, I wanted it to be, you know, it's not just about me, like who cares about my story.

00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:45.279
I wanted it to be kind of like a Job-like inquiry where I was telling the reader all of the questions and the why questions and the anger and the struggles that I've posed at God and all the answers that the Lord graciously gave me.

00:30:45.359 --> 00:31:04.720
So I'm trying to help other sufferers in their chronic pain, in their chronic, you know, in their disabilities, in their grief and losses, you know, just to show, like, gosh, God has given me so many surprising insights about scripture through Matt and through his word that I never knew as a, you know, whatever, normal, you know, person before I was suffering.

00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:16.639
So I hope that my book, you know, and my, you know, it's blessing many people in the sense that people have emailed me and I just feel so humbled, like that people are actually it's resonating with other sufferers.

00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:18.639
And I'm so, you know, all glory to God.

00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:26.399
I feel like this project was, I'm so grateful that the Lord has gave me that strength to write this and to just encourage other people.

00:31:26.639 --> 00:31:29.039
And where can people pick up your book?

00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:33.359
Yeah, they can get it on all Amazon sites as well as Barnes and Noble.

00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:33.759
Yeah.

00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:35.839
It's available internationally on Amazon.

00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:40.960
And you also have a record uh that you produce as well, correct?

00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:41.519
Yeah.

00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.920
Um, three months before Matt died, I was, you know, on my bed.

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We were just really struggling.

00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:54.879
But because I'm a singer, basically, you know, I don't know, just this idea of I wrote, you know, I wrote this poem and I titled it normal.

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And it was basically me expressing my emotions of how much pain I was in and how sad I was about all of Matt's hospitalizations at the time.

00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:08.159
And basically I was reading this poem and I felt like this should be a song.

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And so I just started composing, you know, this song.

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And it was about how, oh man, I miss being normal.

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Like I miss, you know, not all these tragedies and valleys and pain and suffering and doubts and questions.

00:32:20.399 --> 00:32:30.879
And so I wrote this song and I, you know, kind of produced it myself just from my bed, you know, just basically sound engineering it on my phone and, you know, using these minimalist apps.

00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:33.440
And because I'm a singer and I'm also a pianist.

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And so I sat up and I performed it and I recorded it, and it was so life-giving just for myself.

00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:43.359
And I sent it out to my church community, and you know, a lot of people liked it.

00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:58.079
And so another example of how God is using my, you know, I don't want to say talents because it sounds pompous, but using my my, you know, interests and hobbies to give me joy, even amidst these the most sad circumstances.

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Matt is approaching hospice, I'm still bedridden.

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I mean, but look at these musical gifts that God gave me nonetheless to sustain me.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah.

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I always like to, as we give it an end here, I always like to ask my guests, um what one word of encouragement that you would like to give to my audience.

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Let me try to think of something creative and really important.

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Not that I have not that I know everything important.

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Um you know, I would say if you're out there and you are listening to podcasts on suffering and you're trying to get inspiration, you might be suffering emotionally, physically, mentally, you're exhausted.

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I just want to tell you, like, I have been there, like and on many days, like I still am there in the sense that, you know, this life is difficult.

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And and I know what it's like.

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I know, I feel your heart.

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Like I completely understand.

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I mean, I don't know what you're going through, but as a fellow sufferer, like on a bed most of the day still, I understand like that struggle.

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And to the extent that you're struggling with the Lord the way I was for quite a long time, I want you to know that the Lord sees you and He will draw near to you.

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Like, don't close your heart.

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Like, I don't, do not close your heart, like keep it open because he wants to bless you through this.

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And I know it sounds counterintuitive and almost condescending, like, oh, he wants to bless me through what whatever trial you're going through.

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But I'm telling you, just keep clinging because God has 10,000 reasons for this.

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Like there's a John Piper sermon I really liked where he said there there are 10,000 reasons for your suffering that you might not, you might only know three of them.

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You might not even know three of them and you're wailing out today in pain.

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But just know that our good God would not allow you to go through this unless he's doing something eternally.

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And you might not know what it is now, you might not even know what it is until eternity, but keep clinging because and God will reveal some of them to you, like graciously, but just keep clinging.

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Amen today.

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We greatly appreciate having you.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Oh, the honor is all mine, Dorsey.

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Like, I'm such a fan.

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Thank you so much for your amazing ministry.

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I've just been really encouraged by your story as well.

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So God bless everyone.

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Well, guys and girls, thank you so much for coming on the show again today and listening.

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Please go and check out Larry's book and and uh her videos, and then please go and check out my previous episodes of the Dorsey Us show as well.

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And until next time, bye bye.