The Grief We Don’t Talk About: Finding Hope in Life’s Hidden Burdens

Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Dorsey Run Show, where real faith meets real stories. Hosted by Dorsey Run, here we sharing encouraging and inspiring stories. And today, we're diving into another incredible testimony of overcoming trials and experiencing the faithfulness of God. Whether you're facing your own battles or just need some encouragement, you're in the right place. So let's get started. Because your story matters, and God's grace is bigger than any obstacle.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

Thanks for Glennina to another episode of the Dorsey show. On today's episode, we have Laura Sharpwaite. She is a licensed minister and a voice behind at the counter with the baking pastor. She creates space for people to slow down, breathe, and reconnect with God in the middle of everyday life, especially in seasons that feel heavy and hard to name. With faithful compassion and grace. And that some of the most sacred moments are found in everyday rhythms of daily life. Laura, thank you for coming on the show today.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Thank you, Dorsey, for having me. I'm excited to be here.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

Absolutely. How did you get the name The Baking Pastor?

SPEAKER_01 2:04

It started at the first church I served. It was an older congregation, and those folks did not handle like texting and and phone calls. They wanted in-person visits. So I started going and I knew they'd want to have coffee. So I started making things to take. And so they nicknamed me the baking pastor. And it has just stuck since oh my gosh, 2019.

How The Baking Pastor Began

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Okay. And you still do that to this day? I do still bake and take goodies when I go on home visits when I'm serving a church. And I'm also known to just show up at people's houses with goodies.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

Okay. What start what made you start to do what you're doing now?

SPEAKER_01 2:55

A nudge from God. And so I life brings us all kinds of changes and challenges, and sometimes they're easy to work through, sometimes they're hard to work into. And after I navigated several different challenges, Lord led me to get a degree in pastoral counseling and start working with folks who were dealing with things like grief and trauma or abuse or even navigating divorce. But usually bird out, trauma,

Calling Into Grief And Trauma Care

SPEAKER_01 3:28

grief.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

What did it look like to keep going when you wake up already tired?

SPEAKER_01 3:38

That's a really good question. It it's challenging. You know you have to get up. You know you have things to do. Um in one season, I was navigating a cancer diagnosis and was going through chemo, and my chocolate lab came and nudged me that he had to go potty. And so it wasn't let's let's wait. It was, oh no, I've got to get up or I'm gonna have a mess.

Waking Up Tired And Hidden Grief

SPEAKER_01 4:04

So I got up, I opened the front door, we live in the country, and he knew where our property was, so he would toodle off down the ramp and go do his business, stiff, play, whatever he needed to do. Most days I could stand at the door and wait, but there were days where I was so exhausted, I'd walk over and lay on the couch until I heard the little tippy taps of his feet coming back up the ramp, and then I'd have to muster and get back up and let him back in.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

So what would you if somebody said to you, hey, I you know, I get tired every morning and you know, I I don't feel like get you know wanting to get up and wanting to go during the, you know, during the day, what would you say to them? How would you help them to get the energy and to get the strength to to get through the day?

SPEAKER_01 5:03

Well, I'd ask them a couple questions to see where they were. You know, are you navigating any health issues right now? See what they'd say. Are they getting adequate sleep, nutrition, hydration, that kind of things? And if they said no, I probably asked them what they're grieving, which usually gets a really strange look. So I have to explain. Most of us are grieving, and grief does not always include death. It does, but there's 40 plus other things that could be grief, and so any grief may or may not need to be, or excuse me, any change may or may not need to be griefed. So a change could be a change in workplace, a breakup in a relationship for children. It could be a teacher goes out on maternity leave and there's a sub for a long term, could be changing schools. There's so many things that they add up over time. And so usually when I ask people what they're grieving, they're like, No one's died. I said, That's fine, but let's think back. Have you had any changes to navigate? And oftentimes the answer is, oh yeah. And I'll say, Well, what happened? Well, I moved, or a relationship broke up, or something major happened, and they say, Yeah, I never dealt with that. So, what happens with grief is it's like a snowball, it keeps rolling downhill until it collects everything in the way, and sometimes that's you. And so it becomes a big baggage that people lump around with them instead of dealing with it. And that baggage is just heavy, it's tiring, it's what often causes a lot of burnout, and it causes people to go to sleep tired, to wake up tired, and if they're grieving, oftentimes they like to try and do one of the what I call a grief myth, which is stay busy, because it keeps their mind off it during the day. The problem is when they lay down, they've been so busy, a, they're exhausted, and b, their mind's like, okay, great, now we're done with all that other stuff. Now let's go back and think about what we haven't. So they end up awake most of the night, and they still have not dealt with anything. They're not resting, and it can get worse day by day.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

You know, I wouldn't have you know, as you said, you know, a lot of people think of grief as someone that passed away, you know, and I and even for myself, I would not have thought that there could be other things that we could be grieving other than someone dying.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Absolutely. Um, well, there was a decision a couple weeks ago with in in my family of whether or not my husband might take a job in another state, and I was all excited to go because I grew up in Air Force brat, so I love to pack and move and go. And then the decision came not to take that job. And while I fully understand and support that decision, part of me was just bummed out, and I started feeling really heavy, and so maybe an hour later, I said, Whoa, whoa, I gotta check myself. What's going on? And I sensed that there was grief over not making that decision, and it caused me to pause and I thought about it. I'm like, yeah, I I really did want to live somewhere different and experience that that new town, the new happenings. And so I allowed myself to take a little bit of time to to work through that. Yes, I was sad, obviously not as sad as is you know, finding out you have a diagnosis or you know, that you've broke up a relationship, but definitely an appropriate level of sad. And then after I dealt with that, I was able to move on the rest of my day. And I felt lighter and freer at that point. But just taking time to say, what's going on? Why am I feeling that way is is often the first step.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

When did grace first feel more like burden than anger?

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Grace can feel like a burden and it can feel like anger. And by that grace, I mean grace that we give ourselves or grace that we give others. And sadly, we usually give others a lot more grace than we give ourselves. So if we've messed up, we're the first to beat ourselves up. If we're not feeling the best, again,

Giving Yourself Real Grace

SPEAKER_01 9:39

why aren't you feeling good? Um during my one of my treatments uh on chemo, someone called my husband and said, Hey, we're gonna come over for a short visit and we're bringing a meal. And I thought, oh, Lord, I really don't feel like getting up. And he said, No, no, no, you get up. You you're not gonna deny these people a blessing. You're gonna pull yourself together and get up. And I did. They were only here for maybe 15 minutes. They shared that meal they brought and they hugged me and they left. And I thought, what was so wrong with that? What was so wrong with that? I I was burdened that somebody wanted to come over, and yet I was gonna deny them that blessing. And so I had to check myself and say, okay, I need to give myself grace for that decision, and I need, you know, like I would just give a friend who who's going through a tough situation. But sometimes people think it's easier to deal with the burden and beat yourself up than it is to actually, you know, work through what you're going through, which leaves you in a weird position.

SPEAKER_02 10:42

Yeah. What finally made you stop trying to push through everything?

SPEAKER_01 10:51

Cancer. Cancer has a way of slowing you down and and actually stopping you. I had been a person who loved checklists. Don't get me wrong, I still have to-do lists, but now they're they're more like I call them to want list, meaning they're things I probably should get done sometime this week. I I do that because occasionally, even many years later, you still can have chemo fog where you've got that thought and poof, it's gone. So that's they're not intense, like I have to get it done today. But during

Cancer And Learning To Wait

SPEAKER_01 11:24

cancer, I realized that all my list making was was just driving me absolutely nuts. I wasn't getting things done, I was beating myself up because I didn't feel well enough to do it. Instead of saying, okay, your body has had multiple procedures and surgeries, you're going through cancer, you're you're battling this horrible disease, and you're worried about a to-do list. The other thing that happened at the same point was I ended up waiting. If you've ever had a diagnosis, you have to wait. You have to wait to get an appointment, wait to get in the doctors. When you go to a doctor, what do you do? You sit in the waiting room, then they check you in, and you go back to the room where their doctor's gonna come visit and you wait more. Then you wait to check out, you wait for prescriptions, you wait for procedures to get scheduled. Then while you're healing, you get to wait more. And during one of those waiting sessions, the Lord came to me and said, I don't want you to stew over what's not getting done. I want you to worship me in the wait. And I went, Wow, okay, Lord, I I can do that. Luckily, that was early on, so I wasn't totally frustrated for the whole time we dealt with that. And I would make a point if we're going to the doctor, who could I pray over? Who who can I bless today with something? It may be who popped up in my mind on my phone. I could pop them a quick message, hey, I'm praying for you, I don't know what's going on, but the Lord put you on my heart. And so I started worshiping and and leaning in and listening. And when I did, I realized that all that pressure to succeed, to accomplish really didn't matter right now. I had one focus and that was healing and and leaning into God while I did that.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

And how are you doing now with the cancer? Are you still going through treatment? What is the prognosis on that?

SPEAKER_01 13:22

I am completely clear, five years, hallelujah, and I still go every year and have all the scans and and tests that I need to have done. And it's just nice to know that you get a clean bill of health every time you go. So it's good. There's still a few leftover symptoms. Like I said, you've got chemo brain that pops up occasionally, like when there's stress times, uh, very similar to grief brain, where you're going through grief and your brain just shuts down, um, especially during stress. Um, some foods still taste funny after chemo, like a metallic taste. And sometimes food smells. We we live in the south. My husband loves onion sausage. That's still something I we have to set up a fan. It blows his way to keep the smell from me so he can enjoy the foods he wants, and I don't feel like I am just ready to be the. So you you have to learn to make adjustments. Right.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

How do you how do you stay connected to God when faith feels distant or fragile?

SPEAKER_01 14:31

Your faith can feel distant or fragile at any point of your life or or even your day. I make a purpose every morning to start the day with God. I call it coffee with God. I get up, I go make the coffee, my cat joins me, and we read the Bible, devotionals, we go through our prayer journal and we

Staying Close To God Daily

SPEAKER_01 14:53

pray for folks and just sit and and listen to worship music. That's a given. Some days it's quicker because of scheduling, some days it's a little later in the day because again, scheduling. But then also spending time with him during the day. I I don't look at the Lord as somebody I go to when there's a situation that I need him for. I look at him as my best friend. So I talk to him all during the day like I would talk to you. And so be like, hey Lord, this is what I've got going on today. Okay, help me, help me stay in line and stay focused. Oh yeah, did I tell you that the the laundry detergent uh spilled on me and I got bubbles everywhere? You know, I I talk to him just like I would talk to anybody. And the other thing is I'm open to hearing him. I think partially because of the worshiping and the weight. So I hear him and there'll be someone's name who pops into my head. I'll stop, I'll send him a message. And oftentimes I get back like crying emojis. How did you know? I'll just say God. So I I I spend time listening and and then I'm diligent and I I pray over what He He gives me to pray over. So I try not to just be in that fragile position. I try and and always be mindful that He's there all the time. And and I find that very helpful.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

What do you do in seasons where life doesn't look the way you expected?

SPEAKER_01 16:28

That would have been the other week when when the move didn't happen. Uh uh when life doesn't look the way it it you expected it. Examine yourself. You know, were you expecting a different outcome? If so, why? Wasn't an outcome that you wanted or that God wanted. There's so many things that can happen. You you mean every day is is not promised. Uh my husband has a uh a guy that works for him that he'll say, See you tomorrow. And the guy says, I don't know, maybe. And the first time he said it, my husband said, What? He goes, Well, nothing's promised. I hope to see you tomorrow. Um, and then we have friends who um their best friend son was in a car crash last week and and died in a head-on collision. We don't know. So we we need to spend, you know, looking forward to to what's going on and be mindful and present. I I I'm really bothered when we go to restaurants and everybody and all the tables around us is is on their their phones. You know, everybody at the table's on a device, even toddlers, and no one's having conversations like we used to have at grandma's house or at the dinner table. People are just so busy in such a hurry that they don't spend time with each other, they're not mindful of each other, and they don't treasure what they have when they have it. And oftentimes, you know, I've seen it as a pastor that they'll they'll say, Oh, I wish I'd had more time. You know, I can promise you the people that I have been with when they passed away, the last thing they said is, I wish I'd sit more text or I wish I'd worked longer. They usually have regrets of, I wish I'd spent more time with my my family, my grandchildren, I wish I had taken that trip I always wanted to take. Those are the kind of things that that we really should be focusing on.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

And then my dad would say that too. He would go when he would go to the hospital with the VA for uh a hiccup, you know, the doctor would hit home, well, we'll see you in six months, you know. And the time he would probably be in his mid-80s at the time, and he'd be like, Well, can you promise me I'll see you in six months? You know, do am I gonna be around in six months?

SPEAKER_01 18:52

Yeah. That's like when they tell me every year now that they're gonna schedule me a year out for all my um scans and stuff, and I'm thinking, no, I'm gonna have the mindset. I'm I'm gonna be here in a year.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

So how do you carry grief or love without feeling so alone in it?

SPEAKER_01 19:13

I lean to God. He is right there beside us every day, and so I I try and first be with him. But for those who who may have a fractured relationship with with God, find people that can help support you. It could be from church, your your friend group, find someone, and and if you don't have anyone, then please go to

Expectations, Presence, And Regrets

SPEAKER_01 19:36

my website and send me a message and tell me you don't have anybody to pray for you. I would love to add you to my list. But if you don't feel close to God, usually that means because you step aside. God never leaves us, but we tend to leave him because of situations not turning out the way we had hoped.

Loneliness, Support, And No Grief Timeline

SPEAKER_01 19:56

So I say lean on God, lean to the scripture, and then lean to your your best friends, your your dear friends, your church family, your your go-to group. And if you can't find people, keep asking till you find somebody.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

Now, in that question, I see a couple of work and it's grief, and then you know, it do you know the the fool works so alone in it. It can people feel, you know, when they feel grief, can they feel alone in it? And what what does that what does that mean or what does that look like?

SPEAKER_01 20:32

You can feel alone in in any situation you're going through. You can feel alone if you're going through a a health crisis, if if yeah, ever like when my husband went to work, I was home alone. I was actually quarantined every time I took chemo. I couldn't go out because of my immune system. So I was alone in that. I know people that I've dealt with through church when someone died, they that may have been their spouse. Now they're all alone in their house. Their kids live other places. I've had folks where their parents have already passed and all their family members are now gone and they feel super alone. So you you can feel alone at any time if something changes and it doesn't feel the way it used to feel. It could be the loss of a pet, um, a neighbor moves. Anything that doesn't feel the same can make you feel alone.

SPEAKER_02 21:24

And what would you cater to people that you know feel that way? How would they not feel alone if you're getting closer to God and reading the Bible or being with friends?

SPEAKER_01 21:37

Depends on what they're going through. It it may just feel that they need to feel seen and heard, depending on what's going on, that someone acknowledges them for what's going on. Oftentimes people I'll hear people say, Oh, well, so and so passed away a year ago. He should feel better by now, she should be over it by now. There there is no timeline on on Grief. It there's no one and done. Sadly, people think the stages are a big thing, and a lot of of counselors and therapists have have gone by that. But when a lib Elizabeth Kubler-Ross did her research, it was not about stages. It was what people who were in a terminal illness felt in common. And so people get stuck in those those stages. And so they they don't always feel or they feel too much, right? There's there's both sides of that. And it it's really kind of a tightrope. So you can go from feeling all alone to feeling every emotion coming at you like a tidal wave, like you're you're gonna be drowning. You can reach out to people. Um, there are some support groups, some are better than others, um, some are more supportive, really and truly. Um, but oftentimes your your dearest friends, you'll learn during your situation who those true people are. For example, during chemo or cancer in general, people some people don't know how to be around you. So they just suddenly, people you thought were friends or acquaintances are are now out of your life. Same thing with with someone who passes away. Everybody's there before the funeral, and after the funeral, you don't see anybody. And if you're by yourself now, it becomes super lonely. I usually wait a little bit, I don't send sympathy cards, I wait and send thinking of you cards. I try and go visit after everybody's gone so that they know that they are still seen and heard, and that they are still able to feel what they're feeling, and that someone doesn't dismiss them and say, Oh, you should feel better. I mean, we we we don't get that dial. We don't get to click to the next level and say, Yes, I feel that now. That that's not how how loss works, and that's not how it works with loneliness.

SPEAKER_02 23:54

And I can relate to, you know, some of that because my dad passed away back in in November, you know, so I'm still, you know, grieving that that loss, you know, and not having any type of parent around anymore.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Mm-hmm. Did you see that a lot of folks just just kind of went by the wayside or let us know if you want something or need something and then you never hear from them again?

SPEAKER_02 24:22

To a degree, you know, there's still some that, you know, surround me and support me so it's you know, but uh I think see that to it to a certain degree. What does it really mean to slow down when everything around you keeps pushing for more?

SPEAKER_01 24:45

If you feel like you are in a runaway car, you need to step out of it because you are probably heading to burnout because you've got so much going on in your life or in your brain. So even though things feel like they're going 100 miles an hour, there's a a tool that I use when I deal with clients. I call it safe place, and I'll have them imagine whatever their safe place is. For some, it's a hunting blind, for others, it's a little like a cabana at the beach. For some, um, it

Slow Down With A Safe Place

SPEAKER_01 25:18

can be anything, tree house, uh, a tent, or I've had one client who decided a submarine. And I thought that was really uh a good one because she kept feeling that she was being overwhelmed by grief, it was like a tidal wave. And so that's the perfect place to be in a submarine. You're not gonna drown, it's not gonna wash you away because you're safe in your submarine. But if you go into your safe place, or you imagine you you're in your safe place, so you could be at work, take a second, go to the bathroom, envision you're in your safe place, take some deep grounding breaths, and decide what really has to be done now, what can wait, and what's going on that's making you feel so anxious. And if you go through those steps, you'll feel a lot better. You may also need to journal at some point when you have a chance. Uh, you may have, you know, four kids running around screaming for dinner, and and in your brain you're thinking, I'm in the cabana at the beach because that's where I need to be. Um, but just give yourself a chance to slow down and see what's really gotta be done versus what people think needs to be done. There's usually a break in there.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

Yeah. How do you begin to notice God an ordinary everyday moment?

SPEAKER_01 26:36

There used to be a show at like Stop and Smell the Daisies. Um, I've heard people say smell the roses. If you take a second to just look around you, it's not just you know lots of of cars and stuff. Um, I like I said, I live in the country, so I walk to get my mailbox and why do I'll look at the flowers. I may see a butterfly, I may see birds. If

Noticing God In Ordinary Moments

SPEAKER_01 27:01

that I see something coming out of the ground, I stop and give thanks. Thank you, Lord, for for the farmer who planted that seed. I may take it further and say thank you for the invention you gave of the tractor or the combine. Thank you for those who are able to, you know, mine the oil and the gasoline so that we can use our our vehicles. Thank you for those who pick our crops so when we go to the grocery store, we get fresh produce. Take it all the way back. Uh, and when you start looking for things, you will see them. You just have to be open to it and not just be tunnel vision, like I'm in the car, I go. Um, we did a uh truck or treat a couple years ago at a church I was working at, and there was a family that lived up the street. And when they came trick-or-treating, there the church owned a parking lot that was in front of it. And here comes the family, and the guy said, So why is this group here in this parking lot? And I said, Because we belong to that church back there. And he goes, There's a church. I said, Where do you live? And he said, I live up this street. He said, But you know, I leave in the dark, I get home in the dark, the kids are in the car in the morning. It's do you have your shoes and your homework? And on the way home, it's yes, we're gonna have dinner, and what do you have for homework? He said, I honestly didn't realize there was a church there. So what's going on in your world that you don't know what that what's even on your street? D how many people today don't even know their own neighbors?

SPEAKER_02 28:33

Yeah, I lived in my I lived in my community now for for five years and I know maybe a handful of my neighbors if if that yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

So what could you do to meet more neighbors? You know, for me that's making cookies and go introduce myself. It could be you know, just saying hi, dropping off a Christmas card in people's, you know, door box or mailbox and saying, Hey here. Nice to meet you.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

How do you how do you move forwardly instead of forcing things?

SPEAKER_01 29:13

Well if you've ever tried when you were a little child and you were playing with a toy that had pegs, different size pegs or blocks, and you were trying to put the wrong block in the wrong hole, you could get really frustrated really quick. But when you learned what peg or block went into what hole, life became so much easier. So do you want to live under constant

Meet Your Neighbors With Small Kindness

SPEAKER_01 29:37

pressure and stress, or do you want to take a step back, take a breath, and think about what it is you're doing? Personally, I find I I'm gonna be less frustrated if I'm able to think through the situation. Obviously, if you're a fireman or a policeman, that may not be something you can do. You may have to learn to react. But for most of us, that's not the case. So what's going on? What what do you need to do? And does it have to be rushed and forced through? You know, people say, Oh, I have all these deadlines at work or all this. Does it really have to be done? Okay. Do you have to be the one who does it? Or can you ask a colleague for help? Ask for help, I'll look weak, or I'll look stupid. No, you'll look like you're overwhelmed and

Stop Forcing Life And Ask For Help

SPEAKER_01 30:26

you need help. And it's okay to ask for help. You can put yourself first.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

How do you how do you hold on to hope when nothing around you seems to be thinking?

SPEAKER_01 30:44

So I'm the baking pastor. As you mix up a dough, you you don't see the yeast working. You don't see the the rising process. And if you stand there, you're gonna be standing a really long time because most dough takes you know eight to ten hours to fully rise. I have hope when I make that recipe that

Hope Like Yeast Working Unseen

SPEAKER_01 31:06

the yeast is gonna work and that the dough is gonna rise, and I'm gonna get whatever baked good was the plant. That's the same thing with hope. Are you planting the seeds and watering them that they're gonna happen, or are you just throwing it up in the wind and and hoping? Because if you throw seeds, they could end up in crevices, they could end up in the street, they may not end up where they need to be. But you can go back to okay, I've I've done the work, I'm doing the prep, I'm just gonna wait and see that my bread rises. No, sometimes your yeast is bad, but if you you wait long enough, you're gonna get the desires, hopefully, that you you have hoped for and prayed for without having to rush through them. Because I think sometimes we get in our own way. If that bread's not rising, well, I'm gonna heat my oven up just a little bit and put it in there to make a proof box. Well, okay, but you didn't heat it up to you know 75, 100 degrees, you heated it up to 350. So now you have this baked glob of stuff that is not gonna rise. So sometimes we need to get out of our own way and and let the yeast do what it needs to do, let the seeds do what they need to do. I mean, if they're underground, we don't know. We plant them, and most things take what 40 to 60 days to grow. I mean, that's why you know teachers like to plant in plastic cups for kids with their beans so they can actually see what happens below the surface before that seed ever has a leaf that pops through the dirt on the surface. We're we're we're in such a society and culture, we can't wait for microwave popcorn. That's two and a half minutes, right? We're we're so used to TikTok and and we're used to uh TV shows that we have the situation, the setup, the problem, and the answer, plus commercials in 30 minutes. And if you fast forward, then it's what 20 20 minutes? We can't wait. Yeah, we can't wait for for stuff. So we don't want to wait for that yeast to rise. It's easier to drive up the street to the quickie mart and buy a loaf of bread.

SPEAKER_02 33:17

Tell us about your website and what you do with your website and how you help people.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

So my website is bakingpastor.com. There are links on it to see how to work with me, to listen to my podcast, to purchase my book. Uh, but for your listeners, once they're on that webpage at the very top, there is a link that says download your special edition journal. And it's a journal that's mimicked from the one that I actually have published, but I wanted it to

Laura’s Resources And Final Encouragement

SPEAKER_01 33:50

be slightly different so that guests like yours could have a chance to experience what it means to to pause and to think and to be able to journal about what's going on. So it's up there, they can download it as a PDF, you can print it out, or you can write the the pauses in your your own journal. But there's something about not typing, but actually the writing where your brain uh thinks about it, goes down your arm and your pen or pencil, whatever your favorite utensil is, and and the actual writing that is very, very helpful for folks. So bakingpastor.com and you can reach out to me on the contact page. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

Um I always like to ask my audience or my guest rather, what one word of encouragement that you would like to give to my audience.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

You're not alone, you don't have to tackle things alone. If you are alone, it's most likely because you've not reached out to ask someone else. And whether you're a a stubborn individual or you feel you be weak, it's okay to ask for help. And if someone says I'm not the person, keep looking. You don't have to go through your struggles alone. There are people out there who can walk alongside you in your journey.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

Amen. Well, Laura, we thank you so much for coming on the show today. We greatly appreciate having you.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

Thank you. It's been cool being here.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

Well, guys and girls, thank you so much for coming on and for listening again. Please go and like and share this episode and leave a review on Apple Podcast as well. And go check out Laura's website, and we'll have that in the show notes. And please check out the previous episode until next time. Have a great day. God bless. Bye-bye.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

That's our app for today's episode of the Dorsey Ross Show. Thank you so much to our guests for sharing such a powerful story of faith, perseverance, and God's amazing grace. If this episode encouraged you, encourage someone else. Share it with a friend, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or subscribe so you never miss an episode. You can find more episodes and ways to connect at www.dorseylogshow.com. And if you'd like to support the podcast, check out the links on the show notes or on Dorsey's social media. Remember, no trial is too big for God's love, and your story can point others to him. Until next time, keep trusting, keep sharing, and keep shining for Jesus. God bless you.